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MessageSujet: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Jeu 24 Sep - 16:44

Vindiou le beau bestiau !


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MessageSujet: Re: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Jeu 24 Sep - 17:26

Y'en a qui n'ont pas peu du ridicule, en volant sur un engin pareil...
On dirait une vache ce truc, et c'est moche !
Mais le principe est pas mal tout de même.
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MessageSujet: Re: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Jeu 24 Sep - 17:30

Oh les bizarreries n'ont jamais manqué en aéronautique. Je pense aussi aux avions canards (qui devraient plaire à Psy).

Y'en a un qui ne mérite pas le nom de canard mais qui ressemble plutôt à une seiche, le J7W1 Shinden japonais.
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MessageSujet: Re: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Jeu 24 Sep - 18:52

En cours de modellisation.
Un joli petit tueur, 4 canons de 30mm, 700+km/h et la maniabilité d'un Zero...
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MessageSujet: Re: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Jeu 24 Sep - 23:18

Y z'auraient pu nous en donner...on leur avait bien filé des He100, des 109, des Me163, des MG151...

Tout çà pour signer un pacte de non-agression contre les Russes, pour éviter de se retrouver sur 2 fronts, et du coup les Russes n'ont eu qu'à concentrer toutes leurs forces à l'ouest (sur le front de l'est, d'ailleurs What a Face ), pour nous rouleau-compresser comme des Knödeln bien malaxés.
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MessageSujet: Re: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Ven 25 Sep - 10:13

http://anonymous-generaltopics.blogspot.com/2008/05/bachem-ba-349-natter.html

http://modelstories.free.fr/analyses/avions/MS2007_06P/DRAG_NATTER/index.html

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachem_Ba_349

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachem_Ba_349







http://aviation-illustree.forumactif.com/nouveautes-f4/voodoo-34-le-retour-t81-975.htm































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MessageSujet: Re: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Ven 25 Sep - 10:25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizuno_Shinryu

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The Mizuno Shinryū (神龍 - "Divine Dragon") was a proposed rocket-powered kamikaze aircraft designed for the Imperial Japanese Navy towards the end of World War II. It never reached production.

In configuration, it was to be a canard-winged design, with swept wings and tail fin. Two rocket engines were to be mounted in the rear, and the nose was to be fitted with an explosive warhead. Some versions of the design appear to have been intended to carry unguided rockets under the wings for interception of enemy bombers, similar to the intended role of the German Bachem Ba 349.

It is unclear today whether the engines were intended to provide power for take-off (like the Bachem Ba 349), or to accelerate the aircraft towards its target (like the Ohka). Similar to the Ohka, it could have been launched from coastal air bases and caves, and modified Mitsubishi G4M "Betty" or Yokosuka P1Y bombers. Its intended role, whether anti-ship, anti-aircraft, or anti-tank is still unclear.

Variants
Mizuno "Shinryū" Type 1 suicide rocket glider
Mizuno "Shinryū" Type 2 rocket interceptor

[edit] Specifications (Shinryu, as designed)
This aircraft article is missing some (or all) of its specifications. If you have a source, you can help Wikipedia by adding them.

General characteristics

Crew: one, pilot
Length: ()
Wingspan: ()
Height: ()
Powerplant: 2× Tokuro-1, solid-fuel rockets, 1.5 kN (330 lbf) each
Performance

Armament


Warhead in nose and/or 8 × unguided rockets


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MIZUNO SHINRYU (également vu comme SHINRYU II)



The Mizuno "Shinryu" was built at the end of the war as the suicide Kamikaze glider powered with four assist rocket engines for take-off. The aircraft never flew and soon was abandoned in favor of more advanced project, "Shinryu 2". This type was intended for interceptor and ground attack role. Four powerful Toku-Ro 1 Type 2 rocket engines, 600KG each were to propel this wooden aircraft up to the operational speed and altitude within 30 seconds as this was the endurance of these rockets. Canard layout was chosen for best top speed. Small spoilers were added to the wings for better handling characteristics. Armament consisted of six-eight rockets. Take-off was to be performed from the trolley similar to that used for Mitsubishi J8M Shusui. Three retractable skids were to be used for landing. As a B-29 potential interceptor, Shinryu 2 was to fly at extreme altitudes where the air pressure is so low, that a pilot can't survive without special equipment. To solve this problem a special pressurized suite was to be used instead of heavy pressurized cabin. Shinryu 2 was never built mostly because of the end of hostilities.

http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/shinryu.htm


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The Mizuno Shinryu

One of the more enigmatic of the experimental Japanese aircraft is the Shinryu, meaning Divine Dragon. Unlike the designs which were nothing more than paper dreams, there is but enough evidence to support that the Shinryu advanced beyond something to be found in a magazine or wishbook of some engineer.

The Shinryu was not a powered aircraft but was instead a glider. It was apparently a project either sanctioned by the Navy or perhaps even a private attempt to interest the Navy in the design. In any case, the Navy showed some consideration for the Shinryu as it was given the title of Navy Special Attack Glider. Who the designer was is not known.The name Mizuno could be that of an individual or a small company. Of note, there was a Masakichi Mizuno who was an engineer for Mitsubishi during the pre-war years but whether the creator of the Shinryu is the same man is not known. Mizuno is known for having produced several gliders, both for civilian purposes, as well as military. One such was a 17-shi specification by the Navy for a two-seat training light glider. It is not likely that this and the Shinryu are the same given the specifications.

It can be assumed with relative certainty that the Shinryu was a late war project, at least 1944 but probably likely it fell into the final year of the war. One reason for this assumption was that prior to 1943, dedicated efforts into making aircraft such as the Shinryu were not in vogue. This said, the Shinryu was indeed to be used in shimpu missions. Another factor pointing to the Shinryu being investigated by the Navy towards the close of the war was that the Shinryu had a similar role and method of deployment as the Yokosuka Ohka Model 43B and perhaps even the Model 53, to defend the homeland from the expected allied invasion and to be launched using minimal assets.

The Shinryu was equipped with a rocket or set of rocket engines set in the rear of the fuselage. If the illustration above is at least accurate in the configuration, it is quite probable that the Shinryu took off under its own power, using the large wing area to gain lift quickly since the propellent for the rocket(s) could not have sustained the Shinryu for long. It may very well be that one rocket would have been sufficent to get the Shinryu airborne if the take-off weight was very low and the other rockets could have been used to sustain flight or to provide the high terminal dive speed which the rockets in the Ohka were designed for. However, this does contradict the idea that the Shinryu was designated as a glider. If it did not need a tow-plane to get it into the air nor was it catapult launched, then the Shinryu had an almost identical take-off/landing profile as the Mitsubishi J8M Shusui ( which was the Japanese varient of the German Messerschmitt Me163 Komet ) in that it took off under its own rocket engine, expended its fuel, then glided back to its base for landing which would, in some eyes, take it out of the glider catagory. If one looks at the Shinryu as a glider, it would most likely have had to be towed into the air, the design of the craft making it pretty unsuitable for carrying beneath the fuselage of a mother aircraft. The pilot could then make use of the rockets to sustain altitude, cruise, and take advantage of the wing span to remain airborne for long periods. It is not known if there was any measure of landing gear, be it skids or some crude, droppable arrangement. If the Shinryu did take off under its own power ( or even towed ), it may well have had a jettisonable landing gear, much as the Nakajima Ki-115 Tsurugi was equipped with. If it was launched via catapult, perhaps any form of landing gear was not needed given the mission profile.

The Shinryu carried no armaments save an explosive payload which was most likely carried in the nose. Thus, it shared the same mission as the Ohkas. What is puzzling is why the Shinryu was considered as a shimpu aircraft. It can be reasoned that the Shinryu was much more difficult to build than the Ohka and had the Shinryu been deployed to counter the allied invasion of Japan, the later model Ohkas with the more reliable jet engines would have served the same purpose and could probably have been built quicker and with unskilled labor than the Shinryu. The Shinryu might also have been an off-shoot or influenced by other late war projects for it does share, if the illustration is even partially accurate, design concepts seen in the Kyushu J7W Shinden and even the Shusui.

Richard O'Neill, in his book Suicide Squads, gives a more defined mission for the Shinryu. He states that the Shinryu was to be used as an anti-tank weapon. Designed by Yokosuka and Mizuno and using the experimental MXY 5 assault glider as a basis, the Shinryu was unpowered but could use a rocket-assist take off system for short range missions or be towed aloft by a P1Y Ginga ( "Frances" ) bomber for longer ranged operations. The pilot would then use a high angled, diving attack to destroy the enemy tank or armored fighting vehicle with the impact-fuzed warhead. If this was indeed the mission profile, then it would explain the wing surfaces and control surfaces which would be needed to maintain a dive on so small a target. But at the time the Shinryu was concieved, such an expensive and time consuming ( in terms of production ) way to destroy tanks was not the most logical method, especially when you consider that there were many less costly ( in terms of money and assets needed to deploy ) and more successful ways to defeat armor. If anything, efforts should have been further expanded in developing superior anti-tank weapons such as the Type 4 70mm anti-tank launcher and the Type 5 45mm recoilless rifle, both of which were man-portable anti-armor weapons.

Type Special attacker glider
Crew One
Powerplant Two Tokuro-1 Type2 rocket engines
Armaments Explosive warhead and/or 8 unguided rockets
Speed:
Maximum speed Unknown
Endurance 80 seconds




















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MessageSujet: Re: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Ven 25 Sep - 10:29

MITSUBISHI-PAYEN PA.400 PROJECT

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MessageSujet: Re: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Ven 25 Sep - 22:35

par contre vous risquez de rencontrer ca:

http://allaircraftarcade.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2318&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=349&start=30

ou ca:

http://allaircraftarcade.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13484&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=349&start=0

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MessageSujet: Re: Vous avez échappé à ça !   Ven 25 Sep - 23:46

"Aux USA, les dommages causés par les vaccinations sont tellement graves et énormes que
pas une seule compagnie d’assurance n’accepte d’en couvrir les risques"

tu m'étonnes ici 80% des infirmiers de l'hopital ont refusés de se faire vacciner lol!

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